To true.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nottingham@lists.lug.org.uk On Behalf Of Neil
> Stevenson <neil.stevenson@citel.com>
> Sent: 10 October 2001 09:58 AM
> To: 'nottingham@lists.lug.org.uk'
> Subject: RE: [nottingham] proposed intro to Linux evening
>
> The problem with non-converts is that they are used to being coddled by
> Microsoft. Home users like to think that they dont need to know much to
> use
> their computer. Business users will want to see a migration route to
> something that costs them less or brings them more bang for their buck,
> but
> also need to know its reliable. If you want to demonstrate stuff you
> probably want to do things like this:
>
> - Use wine or VMware to show Outlook Express (or Eudora or whatever e-mail
> program will work) running on a linux X-terminal. You can show other
> stuff
> running too - the home user gets to see how comfortable and cosy life
> could
> be and business users get to see they're not tied to Microsoft.
>
> - Get the same game and run it on Windows and Linux side by side.
> Civilisation Call To Power or summat like that - you can show that there
> is
> no difference in capability; just the cost is different.
>
> - Show some of the stuff that Windows is crap at; like web servers, or
> running apps on one machine but displayed on the terminal of another
> (using
> X). Beowulf is an excellent idea.
>
> - Show off some of the _really_ polished Linux stuff; KDE and Gnome,
> StarOffice (show it loading a Word document - that'll fry some business
> users who think this isn't possible), Gimp, etc. Is there anything stable
> that connects to MSExchange for e-mail yet? That'd swing a fair few
> business people who have already shelled out big bucks for an exchange
> server.
>
> Remember the issue is not to show that Linux wins hands down over Windows
> -
> we know it does, but telling folk they've been using the wrong O/S all
> their
> life 'aint gonna go down too well. The whole point is to show users that
> there are alternatives; and that the alternatives are strong enough to
> warrant serious consideration.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Neil.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gruber, Jason [mailto:Jason.Gruber@invensys.com]
> > Sent: 10 October 2001 09:27
> > To: 'nottingham@lists.lug.org.uk'
> > Subject: RE: [nottingham] proposed intro to Linux evening
> >
> > I too think that we should figure out what we actually wish other, non -
> > converts would like to see about Linux.
> >
> > I feel Corparate World use of Linux would be best;
> >
> > Servers Side
> >
> > * Web (Due to Gartner recent utterings)
> > * Cluster (Beowolf would be something that really rock my boat!! But
> > powerful cheap clustering is a big deal, here at work others are about
> to
> > purchase new alpha box coming in at aroun 1/2million)
> > * Security (Firewalls, Encryption)
> > * Databases
> >
> > Client Side
> >
> > * Security (BS7799 i think that is the number is a big deal.
> > Complience at the moment relies on NT Challange Response
> > Kerboros is a joke in MS hands.)
> > * Managing Locked down desktops.
> >
> > * Updates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Me I go for demonstations of
> >
> > Cluster I would really like to try and build one.
> >
> > But more pratically
> >
> > Web
> > Security
> > Databases.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-nottingham@lists.lug.org.uk On Behalf Of Seanie
> > <seanie@merciless.org.uk>
> > Sent: 09 October 2001 11:34 PM
> > To: nottingham@lists.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [nottingham] proposed intro to Linux evening
> >
> > Godfrey Nix wrote:
> >
> > > Due to the overwhelming silence on my suggestion, with just one
> > offer of
> > > help, I guess no one really wants to bother with evangelizing our
> > fave OS?
> > I would worry that we only end up preaching to the converted ..
> >
> > > I just need volunteers to help with:
> > > setting up machines (sponsor offers loan of several machines incl
> > RaQs);
> > > demonstrating desktop and server operations;
> > What exactly do you have in mind, something simple like a small
> > office
> > file/print/email server, or are we talking about a demo of a
> > full-blown
> > groupware system? Trying to steer people away from Exchange/Outlook
> > is a tall
> > order when nobody I've spoken to can think of an open-source
> > alternative :-(
> >
> > Maybe it would be best to pitch the "small budget, small needs"
> > angle?
> > I could certainly demo a KDE/Star Office setup on low spec hardware,
> > talking to
> > a headless BIND/NFS/Postfix box (as that is exactly what I'm sitting
> > in front
> > of now)
> > Having some RaQ's around could be a good way to demo "rapid intranet
> > development" maybe.
> >
> > I think this is do-able, and the free grub is a winner. Lets see
> > some more
> > hands in the air.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Seanie
> > seanie@merciless.org.uk
> > [www.merciless.org.uk ]
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